Got a G5

[Bullet_Cushion]

After using a A4 Tech 5 Button Mouse (http://www.a4tech.com/en/product2.asp?CID=1&SCID=8&MNO=WOP-35) for about 6 years (the same one surprisingly), my mouse started to conk out, in that mid game the USB disconnect noise would happen and my mouse would stop working, then the connect noise would happen and it would start working again (usually I was dead by then, after only being able to run in a straight line and strafe looking one direction).

Well, after hinting at my sister that I needed a new mouse and that it was a pretty fancy one, she gave up looking for a present, threw me $100 and I went and got myself a G5 today.

I'm impressed with it so far, haven't played cod with it just yet, been configuring buttons and sensitivity....and the weighting.

Which brings me to my question, I know a few of you guys have one of these, what is your weight setting? I have 6 1.7g weights in with the two slots on the side empty. I know its a personal thing but there are so many combos to try I thought I'd ask for a few tried and true configs, so let rip.

[Jubei]

I put all the weights in my G5.. as long as its set to the highest dps/sensitivity. That's just how my right hand prefers it. I know what you mean though.. I mean I used to use a Microsoft (god forbid) Intellimouse and I never realised how shit-house it was until I bought my G5. It's worth learning and getting used to the higher sensitivity that the mouse offers, otherwise, what's the point of even using it?

[Log1k]

I use a G9, but the weight system is similar. I crank the sensitivity up to 400-800-1200-2000 for my custom settings (leaving it on 1200 usually) and have 2 of the heavier weights and 2 of the lighter ones.

Seems to do alright.

[Magmaros]

G9 is ugly POS though

[usagi]

I have mine with 2x1.7g weights in the front, and all the rest 4.5g weights. Found that was the best balance of not too much weight, but enough that i didnt send the mouse flying when I moved quickly. Try to crank up the sensitivity and get used to it, then crank it down a little- this seemed to improve my aim, or at least psychologically it did. I leave it on 1800 now.

[Djbrowny]

more important than weights is bind. ive set my scroll wheel tilt left + right to copy + paste respectively, it works really well, makes life just that much easier :)

[usagi]

more important than weights is bind. ive set my scroll wheel tilt left + right to copy + paste respectively, it works really well, makes life just that much easier :)

On this note, I would struggle to survive internet browsing without the back key, don't know how i went without it for so long!

[thraSK]

Ive got a G7 also, guess my weight is set with the battery :<

[Bullet_Cushion]

My tilts on the wheel are now my in game leans, I'll think about copy and paste for out of game now you mention it

one of my other side buttons is vent and im thinking of maybe change weapon on the other one

[Bogan]

Ive got it set at the heaviest weight. The 8 4.5 gram ones.



The MOST important thing you need to do with it is keep it set at 2000 dpi when your playing. Thats when its at the most accurate.

Instead of changing its DPI reduce your ingame sensitivity. It essentially works the same as lowering DPI but it retains the mouse accuracy.

[warhead0]

in my g9 i use 2 7g makign a total of 14g

i leave my mouse dpi at the deafualt 800 ( good for my tiny screen)

[Baron.LSN]

I use two 1.5kg weights on mine, but thats because if I didn't I'd move too fast and everyone would call me a hacker.




Nah, I have some other mouse, a red one. lol.

[fi0na]

tilts on my wheel for my black G7 are back/foward. so good for windows explorer and firefox :>

[Bogan]

i leave my mouse dpi at the deafualt 800 ( good for my tiny screen)

Why even have one if you arent going to use it properly?



Seriously, Max out the DPI and instead decrease the sensitivity.

[warhead0]

actually, good idea, just toyign around with it atm

problem is my vid card cant really run any games at my native resolution so i found 800 dpi to be a good setting

[thraSK]

You guys are legends! Browny and Bullet cushion! I cant believe i never thought of using tilt for copy/paste and lean left right in CoD4. haha epic.


I use the little blue thing on the side for knifing, because usually when I get knifed I cant hit 'v' quick enough

EDIT: ALSO 1000TH POST MOTHERTRUCKERS WOOOO!

[Ashlite]

i had a g5.


until i saw the light and pure, pure awesomeness which was the G9. changeable colours. grips, and i think 6 settable DPI settings. in cod i use 1000 dpi for normal running, 600 for sniping. no weights, depends on the size and strength of your hand. i use the back button for knifing, and forward for talking on vent.


and thats a sweet idea with leaning there bullet.

[thraSK]

lol ashlite, you can set how many levels of DPI you want on any G-series mouse. Maximum is 5, dont know why you'd need any more

[Ashlite]

lol ashlite, you can set how many levels of DPI you want on any G-series mouse. Maximum is 5, dont know why you'd need any more
true, but im just trying to advertise.

[Bogan]

in cod i use 1000 dpi for normal running, 600 for sniping.



Once again Low DPI = Waste of the mouse


There is absolutely no point having a G5 or G9 if you wont use its DPI to its potential.

[Log1k]

Once again Low DPI = Waste of the mouse


There is absolutely no point having a G5 or G9 if you wont use its DPI to its potential.

Umm...The point of the Gseries is to have interchangable sensitivity at the touch of a button... To gain an advantage in certain situations.

Hop in a tank in bf2? Crank the sens up.

Scope in with an awp in CS? Crank it down.

If your going to leave it on a lower dpi, then sure, its a waste of a mouse, but if you use all the settings when needed, then I don't see what your on about.

Oh, and the g9 can hold something like 40 different sensitivity settings. 8 Different settings on each of the 5 profiles. Not sure of exact numbers though.

And for the look of the g9...Each to his own. I don't mind having a little fugly thing attached to my hand - it makes the rest of me look better. And its not like I go out and try and pick up chicks with the damn thing. Its a mouse, not a sports car.

[ILLmaculate]

I got a G9. I have 4 7g weights set at 1200, 1800 is a lil too touchy for my likings.

Each to their own.

[Magmaros]

razer copperhead ftw

[Bogan]

Umm...The point of the Gseries is to have interchangable sensitivity at the touch of a button... To gain an advantage in certain situations.

Hop in a tank in bf2? Crank the sens up.

Scope in with an awp in CS? Crank it down.

If your going to leave it on a lower dpi, then sure, its a waste of a mouse, but if you use all the settings when needed, then I don't see what your on about.




Yes changing DPI can have its uses although I dont change the DPI between sniping and regular weapons in any games cause i prefer it to aim exactly the same in both modes (its essential for some shots) and 2k/bf2 lets you set it differently in vehicles.





Heres what your missing:


DPI and sensitivity are NOT the same thing. They both have almost the same effect when you change them but lowering DPI reduces precision however lowering sensitivity does not. (For any given speed the highest DPI possible and whatever required sensitivity value gives the most precision)


Precision is very important as you want to be able to hit the same spot all of the time and good precision often makes the difference between getting killed or kills.


My point is that to gain the maximum precision the mouse has to be set on its max DPI. Theres been about 5 people who have said they use less than this as default so they arent getting as much as they can out of the mouse.


What you should be doing is setting 2000 DPI as default and adjusting the sensitivity (ingame or control panel) to the correct speed that you want as this gives the MOST precision. From there you can lower the DPI as needed for what you want to do and you will retain as much precision as possible.


But right now some people are losing out on having better precision for absolutely no reason.

[Djbrowny]

low dpi has plenty os uses, like when im making oarsm ascii pics to spam in irc, it really helps to have the paint brush in MSpaint move at like 1mm a second :>

[Log1k]

Yes changing DPI can have its uses although I dont change the DPI between sniping and regular weapons in any games cause i prefer it to aim exactly the same in both modes (its essential for some shots) and 2k/bf2 lets you set it differently in vehicles.
Yes, but I also like having the option of setting it lower at a moments notice - Like when im zoomed in with a tank and I'm trying to snipe something.




Heres what your missing:
DPI and sensitivity are NOT the same thing. They both have almost the same effect when you change them but lowering DPI reduces precision however lowering sensitivity does not. (For any given speed the highest DPI possible and whatever required sensitivity value gives the most precision) Ok...Theyre not the same thing, but they achieve the same effect...It won't matter what I label it as, as long as it does what I want it to - lower the movement rate of my mouse at a moments notice.



Precision is very important as you want to be able to hit the same spot all of the time and good precision often makes the difference between getting killed or kills.
While this is true, the time bracket in which the difference is made (between life/death) is so miniscule and insignificant, there is little you can do to prevent it, other than have faster reaction times. For most, that is achieved by playing more, not the sens/dpi of a mouse.


My point is that to gain the maximum precision the mouse has to be set on its max DPI. Theres been about 5 people who have said they use less than this as default so they arent getting as much as they can out of the mouse.
The difference would be, for lack of a better term, fucking tiny as all shit. The laser itself would be hard-wired with some sort of dpi rating to increase its ability to read over rough surfaces - thats how they marketed the optical lasers in the first place - instead of having to use a mouse pad, you can just use your desk. Now with lasers, you can float the god damn thing half an inch off the surface and it will still work.



What you should be doing is setting 2000 DPI as default and adjusting the sensitivity (ingame or control panel) to the correct speed that you want as this gives the MOST precision. From there you can lower the DPI as needed for what you want to do and you will retain as much precision as possible. Thats exactly what I did for 2142 on my old mouse. Had the sens cranked right up to 6, while maintaining a decent dpi (forget exact numbers). The result was an uber-fast panning movement, just the way I like it :D.




But right now some people are losing out on having better precision for absolutely no reason.

The difference would be fucking miniscule at most. Really. I can understand getting a new mouse to have improved sensitivity/read effect (old mouse = fucked laser etc) and all the fancy add ons (weight, changing sens, fancy grips) that they all say will improve your game....But how fucking anal do you want to be about precision?

What it comes down to, is the sensitivity of your mouse, your reflexes and your aim. Sensitivity is best left to PERSONAL discretion - no use arguing about that, some people like myself prefer it to be uber-high, others, super-low. The other two come with game time and practice, unless your naturally gifted like gene.

Hacker.

[warhead0]

in 2142 when you jumped into those ground turret thingys (forget what they are called) i would alwaysd kick my mouse right up cuz they were slow
*EDIT* one of my posts got deleted :(

[Bogan]

While this is true, the time bracket in which the difference is made (between life/death) is so miniscule and insignificant, there is little you can do to prevent it, other than have faster reaction times. For most, that is achieved by playing more, not the sens/dpi of a mouse.


The difference would be, for lack of a better term, fucking tiny as all shit.



Except in maybe CS reaction/reflexes means alot less than aiming/thinking. If you cant aim real well you cant hit anything real well. High precision makes it easier to aim and lets you aim faster and more accurately.

And yes it does make a huge difference. While the difference between 1800 and 2000 DPI isnt much between 1000 and 2000 DPI there is a massive difference. I went from 800 DPI up to 2000 DPI (while changing ingame sensitivity to get the right speed) and ive been able to make shots that i never thought were possible on 800 DPI.

This extra precision regularity does make the difference between your aim being exactly on target or slightly off (which is often enough to miss).






The laser itself would be hard-wired with some sort of dpi rating to increase its ability to read over rough surfaces


The laser is not hardwired. DPI is the number of measurements the laser makes per inch it moves on the mouse pad. Changing DPI changes the number of measurements that the laser makes.

Sensitivity is how these measurements are translated into cursor movement. Sensitivity moves the cursor a set distance on screen for every measurement made and this movement is a constant. It moves exactly the same distance on screen with each measurement thats made. That is the higher the sensitivity the further the cursor moves for each hardware (DPI) measurement thats made by the laser.



For example :

Say that a sensitivity of 5 will move the cursor 5 pixels per measurement thats made by the laser but a sensitivity of 1 will move the mouse 1 pixel per measurement thats made by the laser.


Because these are constant this means that for each measurement made by the laser the cursor moves this distance on screen.


Say in this example you wanted to target a single pixel. With a sensitivity of 1 pixel you can hit that pixel every time. But with a sensitivity of 5 pixels you will randomly land somewhere inside a circle 5 pixels in diameter around the pixel you want to target which is an area of about 78 pixels where you might land instead of a single pixel.


Since sensitivity is independent of DPI this means that regardless of DPI it always moves this value for each DPI measurement. Changing the DPI changes speed because it changes the number of measurements made.

Say you now have DPI of 400 and 2000 with the above sensitivity values:

Moving the mouse 1 inch with 5 sensitivity at 400 DPI means the laser makes 400 measurements each moving the cursor 5 pixels for a total of 2000 pixels over that inch while 2000 DPI will move it 10000 pixels over that inch which is how its speed changes.

Now add that 1 sensitivity with the above values. Now each measurement moves it 1 pixel so 400 DPI moves it 400 pixels per inch and 2000 DPI moves it 2000 pixels per inch.



So if you want a distance (speed) of 2000 pixels per inch. You can use several combinations of sensitivity and DPI to acheive this.

You can use 5 sensitivity and 400 DPI where it moves 5 pixels per measurement. Or you can use 1 sensitivity and 2000 DPI where it moves 1 pixel per measurement.

Both of these move the mouse 2000 pixels for every inch it moves and move the cursor at the same speed. HOWEVER using the higher DPI and lower sensitivity means its more accurate as it moves 1 pixel per measurement and you can target a single pixel instead of it moving 5 pixels where you can land on 77 other pixels instead of the one you want.


So thats why its best to set the thing that you want the most speed for at the maximum DPI because this gives the most accuracy. From there you can lower the DPI to change speed and this still preserves as much accuracy as possible.

[Log1k]

I'll test your theory once I get back home. I'll crank the g9 right up to 3200 and try and find a balanced sensitivity.

Until then, Im stuck with a wireless, optical, microsoft evil POS.

[Bullet_Cushion]

I'll be giving it a go at max dpi tonight too

[warhead0]

i cant find a comfortabel balance

ajusting it just makes it feel awkward and weird

[Bogan]

Yeah it takes abit of playing around to get it the same or close enough then might take a little while to get used to. Even if you cant max it the higher the better.


Chances are it won't make you noticeably better running around normally. Its really just a subtle increase in your accuracy which you will only notice when you need to hit a pinpoint target.

The first time i actually noticed it was that when i got my g5 I suddenly became able to snipe people out of the front of rorschs which were aiming at me. Before on 800 DPI it was impossible for me to do.

The other good thing about it is that when you lower DPI doing it this way you don't lose this precision :D It just makes it slower.

[Djbrowny]

i disagree. i had a wireless 400dpi microsoft shitty mouse, bought a g5 and instantly doubled my KD in every single game. improvement in accuracy was huge

[Goob_Scooper]

Yeah it takes abit of playing around to get it the same or close enough then might take a little while to get used to. Even if you cant max it the higher the better.


Chances are it won't make you noticeably better running around normally. Its really just a subtle increase in your accuracy which you will only notice when you need to hit a pinpoint target.

The first time i actually noticed it was that when i got my g5 I suddenly became able to snipe people out of the front of rorschs which were aiming at me. Before on 800 DPI it was impossible for me to do.

The other good thing about it is that when you lower DPI doing it this way you don't lose this precision :D It just makes it slower.
Bogan - what settings do you have - screenshot the settings page in COD for me...

[Log1k]

I'll test your theory once I get back home. I'll crank the g9 right up to 3200 and try and find a balanced sensitivity.

Until then, Im stuck with a wireless, optical, microsoft evil POS.

I got back home the other day and have since upped the DPI to 3200 (G9) while lowering the sens right down...

There is definite improvement. Its almost like your shots REGISTER better...It's insane. My twitch shots are actually hitting people, and I'm generally more accurate...

I urge everybody to try it and see the difference for yourself.

[warhead0]

i have changed mine from 800 dpi to 3000

i havnt played any fps yet, so i havnt gotten to test it out yet

[Djbrowny]

I got back home the other day and have since upped the DPI to 3200 (G9) while lowering the sens right down...

There is definite improvement. Its almost like your shots REGISTER better...It's insane. My twitch shots are actually hitting people, and I'm generally more accurate...

I urge everybody to try it and see the difference for yourself.

so you finally learned... weve been telling you that since the beginning lol :aargh:

[ILLmaculate]

I got back home the other day and have since upped the DPI to 3200 (G9) while lowering the sens right down...

There is definite improvement. Its almost like your shots REGISTER better...It's insane. My twitch shots are actually hitting people, and I'm generally more accurate...

I urge everybody to try it and see the difference for yourself.

How in the fcuk u do that man?

[thraSK]

yeah, lolwut? Do we just go into the Logi mouse and keyboard settings? Or do we change the ingame sensitivity to really low

[Log1k]

I changed my OS settings (since most games will go off this setting anyway) right down to low sensitivity, then I went into logitech profiles (for the g9 - the g5/g7 will have a similar program) and cranked the DPI right up.

[zero|imit]

So... tell me this. I have an MX510, which seems fairly outdated. If was to buy a new mouse which one out of the G-series would be the way to go?

[LukeN]

g9 = teh awesomesauce

[Ashlite]

g9 = teh awesomesauce
QFT.
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice_pointers/mice/devices/3053&cl=us,en

[warhead0]

g9 = teh handheld brick

[Baron.LSN]

So... tell me this. I have an MX510, which seems fairly outdated. If was to buy a new mouse which one out of the G-series would be the way to go?

My 510 is still fine... tbh all the extra features = lol.

[Log1k]

So... tell me this. I have an MX510, which seems fairly outdated. If was to buy a new mouse which one out of the G-series would be the way to go?

It doesn't really matter what mouse you get - It's all in your head :P.

I bought the g9 because my old mouse (MX1000) was fucking up...Best mouse I've ever owned tbh. The extra features are a bonus - It just depends on how much your willing to pay.

[rekrezreb]

i have to agree with warhead that the G9 looks like a hand held brick but i cant comment on its awesomeness having not used one yet.

im pretty happy with my g5 tho, i chocked it up entirely with the heaviest of weights and since my mouse pad provides a decent amount of drag, the highest sensitivities dont really seem that high. for my personal playing style (nubstyle) seems to work best for me.

when choosing a mouse i dont reckon getting a G7 is really worth it especially when the battery goes dead midbattle , i dont really reckon having a cord is a pain in the arse, still each to their own.

[warhead0]

the g7 battery is actually very good, lasts about half the day of heavy use

and its just a few short seconds to pop the new one in

[The.Reaper.]

i just bought a g5 mouse today - for $80 - pew pew

[thraSK]

Its fucking awesome changing batteries on the G7. You can set what level it starts flashing (battery power level) so you can be warned. When it hits that level (mine is 5%), a red light starts flashing. From there its a simple matter of switching batteries (its like fucking reloading a pistol! FUCK YEAH) and you're good to go.

[Juggz]

got a mx518 couple of days ago in china.

I cant remember how much for i think it was about 40bux.

I can get the g5 for 60 dollars. but i didnt wanna spend more cause i will run out of chinese money :P

When i get home in 4 weeks i will try it.

[warhead0]

not the best gaming mouse you can get but like the g7/g5
it has an very comfortabel design

[Juggz]

onli got cause was cheap :P

[thepistol]

Has anyone used the Nostromo™ SpeedPad n52 from belkin.
I'm getting one should I put my self through the pain of using it, as it will need some work for it to become natural.
http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=162783